2009 TOP FIVE Hmong Flag Football National Ranking

1:Lights Out

WHY:They’ve become synonymous as the lionheart of Hmong Flag Football, as in the defining characteristic of triumph over all no matter the circumstances.  They’re one of the fiercest teams on the field, both, either mentally and physically.Nothing is deterred—never missing a step—even when they’re outside of their own element, especially being away from home taking on a long strenuous road trip up north to Minnesota for the 2009 Big Dance, yet to dominate against their opponents at ease. Their indomitable march to the top of this year’s 2009 Big Dance was simply perfection at its truest form.No one was able to match their stride, and on many occasions overrunning their rivals so easily that the umpire awarded a mercy’s rule—to win out their opposition outright after the first half if opposing team didn’t score—because of how dominant they are on the field.Their swagger on field still uncontested, still undefeated, still brushing haters off their shoulders, and still posing with their index fingers vertical to the sky to indicate their status as being numero uno.


WHY:This team is the heart and soul of San Diego, California where the Hmong population is dwindled down to a needle in a haystack.Although, there’s a scarcity of Hmong people in the greater San Diego area; this only encourages a foundation that builds a community of close knit friends and families.They’ve joined this ranking because of the 2 consecutive years of taking the Big Dance for 2006-2007 before Lights Out came trampling down on them in the finals of 2008 season, only to finish second.No other team has met their stride on the field, but the reigning champs Lights Out!


WHY:This is the crème de la crème Hmong Flag Football team of Minnesota since embracing the Hmong Flag Football world.They’ve outshined many opponents to steadily grow as the most lethal defensive team complemented by a strong offensive line to carry a deadly run-based ground attack game similar to what some flag football enthusiast in the past seen in the 2000 Superbowl XXXV champs of the Baltimore Ravens.X-Conz has an uncanny ability to relentlessly brawl on the field with any of the best teams out there.They’ve been saluted by the general consensus in a poll done by us,, in reaching a conclusive voting-based poll as the best Hmong Flag Football team in Minnesota.In addition, X-Conz has won the 2005 Big Dance and only losing out to Sanstorm in the 2008 semi-finals, plus only to fall short against Lights Out in the 2009 finals of the Big Dance.This team is my choice as my favorite top contender for the 2010 J4th HFF tourney.Watch out Lights Out as they’re coming for you!


WHY:2008 and 2009 years were suppose to be their years to make a statement in the Hmong Flag Football world.They’re always on the prowl to take a leap in conquering the 1st place trophy in any of the local tourneys held throughout the spring through fall months, whenever weather permits in the Midwest.On many occasions, if not first, IDK would only settle for second place among the two dozens of Hmong Flag Football teams that prevails in the Minnesota’s greater Twin Cities’ area.From my previous interview with this team, they’ve marked their primary goal, which is to conquer the hierarchy ladder in winning the coveted title of all titles, the July 4th Tourney trophy of the Big Dance. Watch out Hmong Flag Football teams!


WHY:They’ve been clobbering teams in Minnesota well before handing X-Conz the baton to charge in their stead.They were once the best team in Minnesota reigning with the studs of the upper echelon groups in the Hmong Flag Football world in Minnesota, however.Now more in a dormant phase, their absence hasn’t stop contending teams from saying, “Never count these guys out!”Their talent is definitely still in place, but their drive seems to be descending for the past 2 years.I think we haven’t seen the last of team Plaza Boys, as they’ll definitely refurbish and revive their mode of execution, and in the near future move back up ranks where they once were.



  1. Jerry Thao

    July 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM

    Let me know who are your top fav 5?

    Could it have been:



    Red Rum?


    Team Fresno?

    Black Venom?


    It could've been any of 'em, but that's my picks.

    Let me know your thoughts guys and holla and comment to me…I'll be watching and will comment back if neccessary…

  2. Saul

    July 14, 2009 at 11:11 PM

    Mine are:

    1 light out

    2 sanstormz

    3 xconz

    4 apocalypse

    5 nemisis-wi

    Go Cali-we da best in hea! lol

  3. Jerry Thao

    July 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

    Yeah…we Midwesterners still need to prove ourselves before we can claim, "we da best."

    Congratulations to Lights Out!!!

  4. Rabbit

    July 16, 2009 at 9:28 AM

    What are you talking about cali the best in here. Lights Out won not cali. I can understand if you are cheering for them but for all cali teams. Please. We are not even going to go there. It will take a long time to debate this. Plus weren't you the guy jocking IDK's nuts in the who's best of minnesota poll. So what happened to that train jumper.

  5. Saulie

    July 16, 2009 at 11:05 AM

    there's 30 of you mn teams n u cant even beat 1 cali team, that's why we tha best, yall weaklins,

    cali is the bombay, mn all haters!

  6. Rabbit

    July 17, 2009 at 2:49 AM

    Yeah there is 30 of you cali teams and can't even beat lights out with multiple trys. so I guess everybody sucks. But if you ever want to play us to see how much we suck. Just come through next time and stop living your dreams through someone elses accomplishments. X-Conz 00 Rabbit.

  7. Saulie

    July 17, 2009 at 8:39 AM

    I did not say 1 team, I said there are 2 teams, lights out and sanstorms, we're the pedigree of the finest of all the hmong players so stop hating on us becuz we betta than u guys in mn. all it takes is 1 team in cali to beat 30 teams in mn so dont forget that rabbit cause trix r for kidz!

  8. Rabbit

    July 19, 2009 at 3:06 AM

    Nobody is disputing that lights Out and Sanstorm are good teams that has won titles. But for you to say MN is wack, well if you don't play for any of the too above that must mean yourr team is wack ass hell too. Given your team has more opportunities to play and at least figure how to beat them. So like I said get off peoples nuts because DIX ARE FOR CHIX

  9. Jerry Thao

    July 20, 2009 at 5:38 AM

    Can't we all just get along!!!

  10. Rabbit

    July 20, 2009 at 7:50 AM

    NO. j/k We cool just having a discussion so mods relax.

  11. Saulie

    July 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM

    Yeah, moderz, this Rabbit guy sounds a little crazy, getting all pissy pissy over nothing. All I'm saying is that MN hasn't proven themselves yet, so California's going to lead the way as the best of the best for the time being, uncontested. And until they can find a way to win then we'll be the leaderz!!!

  12. Guard

    July 21, 2009 at 10:59 PM

    Good job with the top 5 – I would say these are the top 5 in the nation too, although amongst these teams, it would be "anyone's game, any given day". When it comes down to top teams like this, whatever team makes the LEAST mistakes, wins.

    Rabbit, I do agree with you though. People shouldn't talk too much, because every team has their own talent regardless what state they reside in.

    Just because Lights Out took it 2 years in a row, it doesnt mean that midwest teams havent been close when playing them. In 08, both Plazaboyz and IDK gave them a pretty good run. In 09, Nemesis and XConz caused them trouble too.

    Sandstorms took it 2 years before that, but it doesnt mean that they didnt have trouble getting to the finals either. I remember 2 tough games against Plazaboyz the first year.

    No one is saying that LO and SS aren't good, because they've earned and deserve the props they're getting, but when it comes down to big tournaments like the Big Dance, it all comes down to your path to the finals (who you play, who is in your brackets, how well you execute against those teams, etc).

  13. Saulie

    July 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM

    Okay guys, stop hating on California. All I'm saying is that these 2 teams came and said to all MN, "Veni, Vidi, Vici!" Which translated to the English tongue as, "I came, I saw, I conquered!"

    Make a mental note of that, so that this can strengthen and motivate your MN teams to at least compete next year. Yeah BOI!

  14. Jerry Thao

    July 23, 2009 at 2:21 PM

    I totally agree with your comments Guard!!!

  15. Scout

    July 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM

    Quit jocking LO and SS when u dont even play for them. They are top 2 in the country from what they've shown in the past few years.

    Dont be saying MN nor other states are not good just because 2 CA teams have been winning.

    from what i've heard from friends who came to watch CA tournaments…., other CA teams (other than LO, SS, APk, TF) are similar to WI (other than Nemesis & BS).

    so what does that say? LOLS.

  16. Saulie

    July 24, 2009 at 9:05 AM

    I ain't about jocking or slobbering all over these teams. You guys "DID NOT" hear me right!!! Funny you talk about teams this, teams that, but you're team hasn't proven yourself during the BIG DANCE. I give props to Xconz for they've done their share in getting a taste of the BIG DANCE, but haven't done it since a CALIFORNIA team come knocking on your doors. All it took was 1 Cali team though facing adversities, outside their environment, outside their hometown, playing against 20 plus MN/WI teams and wins.

    How bad do you want it?

    I guess not bad enough. Sheer dedication is what they're all about. How about you teams travel to Fresno and fight against them on their turf. I doubt it that you'll survive, like a goldfish in a piranha's tank.

    Plus I didn't say any other states weren't good. They're good, but not great. Think about it, I'm just giving factual statements here, just the truth!!!

  17. Rabbit

    July 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

    Saul-RY, You still making your nonsense Saulry comments about cali again. How many times have I told you that lights out won and not cali. I guess in your eyes TF won the 4th too huh. I didn't know there were two winners let alone a whole state. Since you jocking them so much I hope you get invited at least to there BBQ's. If not then you really are SAUL-RRY. All this nut sucking and can't even get fed.

  18. Saulie

    July 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM

    Spell it right, it's sorry, not SAUL-RY!!! I get it, RABBITS gets hunt down and getting its LIGHT OUT from a gun shot. I'm a avid hunter so I should know about these things, blood splattered everywhere on its shoft white cushiony furs, or shall I say WABBITS.

    Are you still mad that you from team X CONZ and still haven't been able to take the championship for the last 4 years. Let me ask you something: How sad is it that you can't beat these 2 teams? Where are they from?

    I bet you they represent CALIFORNIA and not MINNESOTA. I jock winners if that's what you're asking and you ain't a winner, but a wiener.



    Better luck to you guys next year if they decide not to come in town because there's no competition!!! Yep, you heard it first here, NO COMPETITION!!!

    You're a lousy loser!!!

  19. Rabbit

    July 27, 2009 at 8:27 AM


    At least I got a title under my belt and I don't talk about how good everybody else is. You see it's funny how people who don't even play talks the most crap and in real life can't do crap. Because you can hunt what is that suppose to mean that you are trying to compensate for something else. If you want to hunt me come I welcome all hunters. And were no competion well What team do you play for. Because for sure I'm sure We'll rock your world. But if you don't have a team then keep talking cause that's all you got and will ever have. So keep jocking every team that wins. Saul-RY that you can't even be a waterboy. So go cry in your little river. HA Ha cry baby wannabe player.

  20. nkaujhmoob

    July 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM

    I'm still shock that XCONS make it to finals & didn't fight! 🙂

    DAMN IT! Cause that's all that WE came for so you guys need to stop.

  21. Saulie

    July 28, 2009 at 1:54 AM

    I do not doubt that team X Conz is the best in Minnesota, but that's just about it, or maybe even the Midwest or all other states for all it matters. If you ask Lights Out where they from, they gonna tell you CALI…representing Fresno, CALI.

    And if I ask you where you represent, you gonna tell me MN. You see people want to establish who da best, just like the NFL broken between divisions, on top of the divided in half between the NFC and AFC. Plus when it boils down to it people representing their hometomes from you as from MN with Vikings, in Texas to Dallas or Houston, in Cali to San Francisco or San Diego, etc.

    It's all about pride and you root for your people from your hometome even if you don't know them. I'm sure everyone was all on your team in MN hoping you guys take it this year, but you guys weren't up for the challenge.

    So, stop talking and start representing, plus stop dwelling on the past. You guys prolly won a decade ago, maybe you weren't even playing with that team, so stop jocking…

  22. GUARD

    July 28, 2009 at 5:45 AM


    Again with the "facts".

    Fact: SS and LO took j4 the last 4 years.

    Fact: Other CA teams that have showed up – Rebels, Team Fresno

    Fact: Only other team I've heard about besides the ones mentioned above – Apocolypse.

    Fact: From MN.. Xconz, Plazaboyz, IDK, Redrum CONSISTENTLY place in midwest tournaments. From WI.. Nemesis & Bombsquad

    Fact: Based on showings at tournaments and the topic of this article, teams other than those mentioned above, may come close, but cannot compare.

    Again, no one is saying that CA teams suck. And no one is doubting the accomplishments of both SS and LO. So until you play against any teams other than CA teams, dont talk so confidently about there being "no competition for CA teams".

    And again, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO HUGE TOURNAMENTS WITH SO MANY TALENTED TEAMS, it all comes down to the teams who make the least mistakes.

    Never underestimate any team, because it can be anybody's game, any given day.

  23. Rabbit

    July 28, 2009 at 10:08 AM

    Saul-RY nobody is dwelling in the past or present. I' d cared less about repping Mn. When I play I play for my team not anything else. Not to get girls, not for my mom, nor country. I play for X-Conz when I'm on the field. I'm saying is that for all your talk what have you done to even be talked about or even mentioned in the HFF community. Me I don't need to talk about how good I am or who I can beat and cannot. But I bet you anything that if you ask people about me they'll will at least acknowledge my existence. As for you I know everyone will be like, WHO? Just for your info I played when we won I actually was the QB. And for a guy who thinks he knows everything apparently didn't do is homework but like I said keep talking cause that's all you got. Don't hate, appreciate.

  24. Saulie

    July 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM


    You talk about FACTS!

    Since a Cali team has come up to MN for the BIG DANCE, who have won?

    I wanna know.

    FACTS: Rebels or ?Chaw Fa? came up in 2002 and took the tournament. Then 2006 SS, then 2007 SS, then 2008 LO, then 2009 LO. These were the years of CALI team or teams coming up and yet they won.

    What is the ratio from MN teams to Cali teams?

    Too much! Way too much, but yet their determination and dedication to their game gave them the edge to win.

    This too, is a fact!

    Could you say I am not telling the truth.

  25. Saulie

    August 1, 2009 at 7:47 AM

    no more comments guys

  26. nickthoj

    August 1, 2009 at 7:49 AM

    hey how come the 2 cali teams pics got cut, what's the message??? haha

  27. icomment

    August 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM

    Saulie, aka King Xiong, Lights Out rb #18, lilmerlin87 on hmong sports forum, you talk a lot of smack!!!

  28. Creatine

    August 5, 2009 at 2:00 AM

    FACT: LO is undefeated in MN

    FACT: LO is undefeated in CA



  29. lightsout21

    August 5, 2009 at 4:20 AM

    fyi, this saulie guy is not part of lightsout. so ya don't even worry about it. and our RB has too much class to talk smack like this.

  30. Xconz#3

    August 5, 2009 at 4:55 AM

    hahaha, fagget niggas talk too much shit behind a screen name. Fucking COWARDS… I'll see you next year.

  31. H.L._27

    August 9, 2009 at 7:41 AM

    hey, saulie. does it make you feel better only two cali teams won the championship. well, not to talk smack about team fresno, but remember they also came down and got kicked out the first day so you cant say cali is the best of the best. kick back and and kick dirt and shut your mouth. no matter what H.F.F is the best sport out there in all these tournaments.

  32. lilmerlin87

    August 12, 2009 at 5:08 AM

    WTF??? how the hell did my name get mentioned in this stupid BS crap…"icomment" seriously, why the f*** would i talk shit about x-conz??? obviously you don't know me, so keep my name out yo mouth…i freaken spent my july 4th week at bobby and joe's house, two players for x-cons, we're f***en family you dumbfuck…lmao

  33. lilmerlin87

    August 12, 2009 at 5:29 AM

    lmao, why is everybody still getting mad over this stupid CA / MN beef???no one cares…Lights Out has played almost every team from around the nation and to tell the truth, the competition is the same: you have ur beginner teams that just formed recently and needs practice and then you have ur elite teams that have been around for a while who have established themselves as a dominant team, and in between that, you have ur average teams that show up and try upsetting the top dogs every tournament…so to break it down, if ur team has not established itself, then don't talk…but from all of the teams that we have played, there are 3 teams in CA that i consider contenders, the rest are in the midwest….think about it, thats a ratio of 3 teams in CA to 7 teams in midwest…do the math…and apparently this "saulie" dude dont know what he's talkin about, so just leave it at that….top teams know who the other top teams are becuz game recognize game…my two cents

  34. Jerry Thao

    August 16, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    Please tame it down to PG guys. Thanks!

  35. Natasha

    April 19, 2010 at 5:57 PM

    WTF. Of course Calif would be taking all the wons because they doesn't have the same season as MN do. They practice all season around and MN don't. So get really. If MN practice all season around and we'll see who's talking.


  36. Saul

    April 21, 2010 at 9:40 AM

    lame…excuses, excuses, EXCUSES! people in mn can practice indoor too…maybe california breeds betta' playas???

  37. Viking Coach

    May 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM

    Callifornia may be the best but don't you guys see that if I bring the Minnesota, Viking will they win. Of course they will so will you guys just stop it!!!

  38. Zero

    May 3, 2010 at 3:55 AM

    I say Nemesis is my favorite team they won almost every Wisconsin's game in 2009. So I would like to see them this year too. Srry guys.

  39. Cali)

    May 3, 2010 at 5:50 AM

    California team are the best no offense but yea.

  40. Saul

    May 3, 2010 at 1:39 PM

    Then I will have to bring NO Saints to stomp down the MN Vikings…lol!

  41. Viking Coach

    May 4, 2010 at 3:21 AM

    The only reason how they beat us was because of the field goal kick. Yeah they beat us but hey if the rule has change going against them we could of beat the Saints. You see Saul, you cannot beat any team by doing kicking the field goal you gotta win by scoring a touchdown that's the new rule. But still we gotta hand to them they barely beat us though.

  42. Dylan

    May 4, 2010 at 3:29 AM

    Okay this year I wanna see who will be the top dogs. I'll be watching every single team who's gonna play this year at J4. So guys if ya' wanna fight, just wait until J4 comes up we'll see who's really the top dogs. Cali I wanna see you guys come in our turf. We'll settle things in J4 but out on the internet. I mean C'mon its the DAMN internet. I rather talk face to face not on the DAMN internet. I hope to see ya' soon CALI. Oh one more thing if ya' got no ride srry we can't help….

  43. guest

    May 18, 2010 at 6:06 AM

    Speak for yourself!

  44. unknown

    May 23, 2010 at 5:15 AM

    drama drama…………………..

  45. unknown

    May 23, 2010 at 5:16 AM

    grow up and learn how to appreciate each other….a title isn't the end of the world for you and i being Hmong brothers and sisters.

  46. smantha

    May 25, 2010 at 1:16 AM

    i think everyone is good!..i just FOOTBALL!..:)

  47. Stir the pot

    July 9, 2010 at 3:40 AM

    What do these Californians have to say about 2010 results? Wait, let me rephrase. What's the excuse for 2010 July 4th MN results?

    At the end of the day, it's any given Sunday folks.

  48. Jerry

    July 16, 2010 at 7:04 AM

    It's "Any Given Sunday!" But the absurdity of the situation is that these guys are out of state facing adversity of not having the comforts of home, lounging around in a hotel/motel, humidity factor, which they aren't used to a daily basis, plus many more factoring in…though that was the case they were able to get to the finals and only losing once since coming out to Minnesota…

    To me, they're still #1…power rankings may change, but these guys are the truest form and are the best at what they do!!!

    1: Lights Out

    2: Sanstorms

    3: X Conz

    4: Plaza Boys

    5: Team Fresno

  49. M

    July 21, 2010 at 6:24 PM

    I'm Saulie's ex-girlfriends brother and he's dieing of an STD and he also has herpes that's why he's saying all his sh*t, he's in a bitter mood. And all this talk about Cali vs. MN, that doesn't exist to the players and teams that play. It doesn't matter where the team is from or there isn't even state pride involve; if a team won then they just won because the team wants to win whoever they play and when STUPID NON-PLAYERS talk about their state is better than another state that is just immature child's play, grow up kids. All the teams respect eachother and know that they don't need to talk smack on the internet, they are grown up folks so to all other non-playing sh*t talkers like Saulie shut up kus you don't even play, so don't try to say anything. Oh Saulie my sister said stop calling her. Peace I'm out.

  50. YEAH

    October 7, 2010 at 6:59 AM


  51. nose

    September 10, 2011 at 6:28 AM

    what about womens!!!?

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